Neurodiversity in Black Families with Rosemary Sanders-Price of Rose in Bloom Therapy

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Welcome. And welcome back to noseyAF conversations about art, activism, and social change.I'm your host and friend Stephanie Graham, and it's 31 days of black Business because it is Black Business Month. August is Black Business Month.So that means every single day this month, I'm handing you personally handing you someone who is wise, wonderful, and quite frankly, open for business. So today's guest is Rosemary Sanders Price, who is a therapist, an author, a mom who spent over 20 years in retail management before any of that.Rosemary's practice is called Rose in Bloom, and it took one question from a friend to get her here.But first, we have to play our theme music, which, can I just say, y', all, I'm really getting my money's worth playing this theme song every single day this month. So here we go. Welcome to nosey af. And then I present to you, Rosemary.

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Rosemary, welcome to nosey af.

Thank you. I'm so excited.

Me too. So you've experienced mental health from multiple perspectives. I'm just going to get right into it. As a therapist.As a therapist, as an advocate, author, and mother. How have those different experiences shaped the way you approach your work?

Well, the reason why I came into the practice in itself is all rooted in really. It started with my mother watching her deal with undiagnosed mental illness. At the time, I didn't feel equipped to really dive into it.Then I had my son, and at nine months, I remember leaving him with the children's church, and I came down and I'm like, jackson, Jackson. He's not responding to his name. And I'm like, okay, there's something there. Talking to my husband, he was just like, I'm not sure.I think maybe you're overanalyzing things, but there's this intuition that hits you. Yeah. And you go, okay, now this is a normal development.

Yeah. Shout out to your intuition for just, like, wanting to look into something that no. Could.Could have been like, oh, well, he's just playing or just distracted or whatever, you know, being like, well, no, I don't think so.

Mm. Yeah. Because you watch, like, your. Your child's peers, and you can't help It.Everybody tells you, oh, don't compare your children's development to other children. Every child develops differently. But there are some cor.That should be happening at certain points, and he should be able to recognize my voice and know his name. And that stood out to me.

Yeah. So you. You've observed, you know. You know, different experiences with your mom and then your son.You know, how did that still, like, work to be like, I'm going to go to school and pursue therapy?

Yes. I know. It was such a huge shift. Right. Because I spent over 20 years in retail management.To one day wake up, it feels like, and say, okay, I'm going back to school to be a therapist.

Yeah.

What happened was there was such a stigma and not enough support within the black church community to really lean on anyone to get information that I needed. Like, I had to find Easter Seals. I had to advocate for him at the pediatrician, because she was even like, no, he's fine, to get him testing.And so I was like, how many mothers are going through this and don't have anyone in their corner, anyone with information to really support them? And so I was actually sitting in church one day, and my good friend Rochelle was like, it came up on the monitor like, we're looking for counselors.And she looked at me. She was like, why are you not a therapist? And that was the turning point for me.

Wow. Shout out. Shout out to Rochelle.

I know, sometimes announcements. Exactly. It takes an outside source to see your potential sometimes. But that really resonated with me because I'm like, why am I not a therapist?Like, I know I'm passionate about giving people information and supporting them through difficult times. So I ended up going back to school, end up with my concentration being children and adolescents.So I see a lot of kiddos and help a lot of different mothers navigate that getting that support they need for their kids when they find out that they do have autism.

So in your practice, your practice is called Rose and Bloom Therapy. Where did the name come from? What does it mean?

Okay, so the name came from me. Right. I felt like when I decided to really step into this role as advocate therapist, it allowed me to bloom. Right.And I wanted to also convey that message to those who come across the page that this is a point where you can get the information you need to bloom and grow and whatever direction you need to go in. So I dealt with imposter syndrome on that page, and a lot of people reached out to me and was like, I feel seen.

Yeah.

I also wrote a blog that really talked about navigating life as a parent of a child who is neurodivergent. And again, other people reached out to say, okay, this is very impactful. A lot of times people feel alone.And so being able to be that voice was very important to me.

You working, like, having these observations with your son and then now being an advocate and working with others, I guess I wonder, like, it is. It does seem overwhelming to even know, like, where to turn.Like, once maybe a family or parent finds out this about themselves or their child, how do folks find you? I guess it's just what I'm wondering because it seems like it's such, like, a word of mouth.

Yeah, yeah.

Business. Like, people are sharing information. But what if you don't know the right people?

So I am on Psychology Today also, but roseandbloom therapy.com is really easy to remember. I also, on that page, have my book different not to Fish and Raising a Black sun on a Spectrum where people can order that book also.

Yeah. How did you decide to write the book?

Okay, well, first of all, I had to get permission to write the book because my son at the time he wrote it is 11. Right. And so he has an autonomy, and he has to be able to communicate whether or not he feels comfortable with me sharing part of his story.And there's the parts in the book where he's like, okay, great. And then there was parts I wanted to add, and he was like, no, Mommy, you can't discuss that.And, yeah, I wrote the book because what was happening during COVID 19. Right. And then we started to think about how he would present as a teenager in this world. Jassing is level one autism. And so people get level three.Level three would be inability to articulate words. But he is able to communicate, but his communication style is not typical. Some things get missed by him.So he doesn't understand sarcasm or have spatial awareness at times. And that can be misinterpreted by people, like, as rebellion. And so we started to talk about him being able to advocate for himself.

What's it like being an author?

It is unreal. And it was something I did not again, perceived, really doing.I was having a discussion with a bunch of therapy friends, and one of my friends was like, you need to write the book again, Friends, Right. Pouring back.

Was this Rochelle again?

No, it was not Rochelle this time. Pouring back into me and saying, you already have the material. You just have to sit there and put it together.And then, of course, my husband's always that person in my Corner. Like, why are you not writing? You need to write more. And so, yeah, I was able to get. Get it done. It was very vulnerable for me, though. Right.Because I'm sharing a part of my life, a part of my journey, and a part of my son's journey also.

Even just with writing this book, what has the experience of, like, the process of putting a book together taught you about? Well, what has it taught you that, like, a classroom or even in your clinical training could not teach you?

Then I'm capable. Oh, okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah.I think you are given the tools and things you needed within the classroom setting to complete things, but to be able to be capable, to hold yourself accountable, to sit right and get something done, that's a huge accomplishment in itself.

Yeah. Congratulations.

Thank you.

What do you wish more people understood about neurodiversity in black families?

That it is not a curse. It's not something that needs to be cured. We just need to learn how to communicate with them, the way that they receive communication.And more than likely, it's going to put a mirror on you. Right. Because what happened was the things that I started to see about Jackson, I was like, oh, my goodness.I did those things too when I was younger.

Yeah, like what?

Okay, so I've always been a toe walker. And when I was. When I was younger, my mom would be like, oh, you're just a little ballerina.And I'm like, ma', am, you should have maybe gotten me tested.

You know, what does, like, effective advocacy actually look like day to day?

So day to day with. Just thinking about with Jackson and how he goes out into the world, he has to mask sometimes. Right.And then he gets home and he's exhausted from masking. So we just get 100% of everything. You know, that advocacy is allowing him to just be himself.

Yeah.

There's no correction in that. This is your safe place. You don't have to conform. And that's, again, something that I like to see with my clients.Like, You need to pace, pace whatever. You need to feel comfortable and congruent where, you know, this is your space and your place. And it's also just like bringing bits of knowledge to.Across social media platforms, things people have not considered. I think the pivotal point for me in advocacy came sitting, going back to the church.Sitting in a church and listening to the pastor get up there and say, oh, it's women fault. It's your fault that your kids have autism. It's your diet. What is you allowing them. Yes, it's you allowing Them to watch TV on their tablet.And I'm like, at, hey, I'm not carrying that guilt, because I know that that's false and that's not backed by the science of things. But I just started to think about how many mothers went home that day.

Yeah.

And carry that guilt and still carry that guilt.

Yeah. That's not fair at all.

And so educated mothers, it's not your fault at this point. The. You know, like, this is just part of who they are. This is their journey, and you are the stewardess of their journey. And so it's okay, you know.

Yeah. One of the questions that I had wanted to ask you was, what conversations about mental health do you think we're still avoiding?But I think I'm curious what you think about that. Like, in the church, if you feel comfortable sharing.

Sure. I think we're avoiding the fact that mental health is present. We like to pretend like, oh, that's just how they are. Or pray for them.We'll pray it away. Right.And we're not really offering resources, support, tools, coping mechanisms, really meeting people where they are, but expecting them to rise to the occasion when they don't have the tools or they're not capable of rising to what you believe they should, where you believe they should be. I think we really need to start calling a thing a thing. Right. Instead of demonizing everything. We. We do that a lot.Or we don't have those discussions. Like, why is it that my cousin is consistently rocking?

Yeah.

Yeah.Why is it that auntie wants to collect every little decorative item that she finds, and her house is full of stuff that you can barely make it through the house with? We don't have those kind of conversations to really get to the root of things.

Yeah. Does Rosenbloom ever, like, advertise in church bulletins?

I feel like no, Rosenbloom does not.

I just feel like it's so needed. I love the back of, like, at my grandma's church, the bulletins, like, the little squares. I, like, read each one.

Yeah.

So with your clients that you work with, it's mostly children, adolescents. Do you work with adults as well?

Oh, I work with everybody. Adults, couples, family,.

You know, like, we're recording this in 2026, so if you're listening to this after, you know, just to times stamp it. But. Yeah. What are you seeing that folks are struggling with.

The administration. Oh, man. Yeah. Yeah. The reoccurring theme, you'll be surprised of, even children.

Wow. Mm.That really makes me sad because we have to spend, like, our Hard earned money to like, I mean we come to you for like, you know, to like help with mental health and you know, just day to days and we have to spend our money on this, this man, this administration. It's very frustrating.

Yeah. I talk about it so much and you know, like I tell my, tell my clients like, oh, turn off the tv, take some time, read a book.And I'm like, I don't get, I don't get that privilege because I have to be informed. But it's hard, right? You can't. Even though I'm encouraging them to decompress from it all, it is so prevalent. It's in everything.It's in going to the grocery store, filling up your gas tank.

It is all very overwhelming. Overwhelming. What's your self care practice is like? Because you hear like you have to have everybody dumps on you.

So all therapists need a therapist. I don't care. You definitely need a therapist. No. If your therapist is sitting before you telling you, no, I don't go to therapy, that's a red flag.Yeah, I think also I read a lot and my guilty pleasure is Korean dramas. I watched. Oh,.

Good call. You read, you read Korean dramas or.

No, I watch.

You watch them. Okay, okay.

But I did a lot of fun.

Okay. Books. Listen, there is something about that drama genre where it just takes it over the top or actually it's really good.That really is cleansing for the soul.

It is, it is. And I'm just like so invested. I feel like it's like a soap opera. I'm like, what's next? I see why they all sit and wait for it at 3 o'. Clock.Because I'm like the same so popper time.

I get like that with Lifetime movies. Like we'll have friends for Lifetime movies. And it's like, okay, let's see what the Blue Eyed Butcher's about. You know, it's just like so ridiculous.

Yeah. But it's a way to escape a little while.

For a little while for sure. Do you offer sliding skill.

Currently? No. Within the next year? Yes. But I do take insurance. Okay. I did.So let me start out by saying that I initially started in community health, which you know, was free to sliding scale. And the intensity of community health is unbelievable.I don't think I know that the government does not invest enough in those programs to sustain them and to keep therapists. I went into private practice with the hopes of opening my own practice within the next two years.And within that, then we're looking at free therapy sessions. For those who can't afford it. Sliding scale, but not quite there yet.

Let's talk about some entrepreneurship. You know, what are some of the biggest lessons from entrepreneurship? As you've been, you know, doing your thing as a therapist, it was really.

Difficult to switch from working for a company to working for self. Right?

Yeah.

You have to be able to manage your own hours. You have to be able to get the paperwork done, which I. It's necessary. I hate paperwork. Okay.I absolutely despise the paperwork aspect, but it has to get done. Like, my son's always in there, like, are you doing notes? I'm like, yeah, I'm doing nudes. Yeah.But there is a beauty to it to be able to just like, be more available.Cause for so long, my schedule is so fixed, and I was missing a lot of different things, you know, like, just being with family, going to events, and now, like, I feel like it really opened things up for me. But it is a. It is a difficult journey to be an entrepreneur because you put the. You bet on self, right?

Yeah. And, you know, just as, like, on this podcast, I like to talk about, like, community.With mental health being, like, all the rage, how can we be better neighbors? But maybe it hasn't been. It feels like it's been all the rage.Like, lately, like, people just talk about my mental health, my mental health, my mental health. Yeah, I guess. Like, how can we just be better neighbors when we think about thinking about others and what other people might be going through?

I'll start with the idea of mental health being a rage. I don't think so much is that, but I think it is people finally. Finally connecting dots. Right. Finally finding language to their behaviors.And when that happens, a liberation comes. Right.You're like, I've been doing X, Y and Z for so long, and I thought maybe I was broken, but now I have this understanding that I've been doing X, Y, and Z because of this. And it frees you. Right. And I think that's what's exciting for people and what's driving them to really have this kind of communication.Not to mention we're consistently online, right?

Yeah.

And everybody is influencing in some way because we're all communicating our daily lives. And so I think that's where we are with mental health in terms of being a good neighbor.I think just because I'm only grown up, I've only been in black and brown neighborhoods. What I see is. Has always been acceptance.Even if a child was struggling with communication or we see them with behavior issues, we still embrace them, like, all right, go play. Right. We're still playing with this individual until it becomes too much and then everybody break up and go home. Or we're still looking out for them.I think for me, it felt as though, even though there's stigma there, we have still been very much accepting of the differences within our. Our culture, within our neighborhood. What I would love to see happen is more access to mental health care. Right? Yeah.Because so many facilities were closed down, so much support was taken away, and there are mornings where we're walking Jack to camp and we're seeing people having manic episodes on the street.

Yeah.

Yeah. And so.

Do you have any advice if you do see folks having manic episodes on the street? Like, what to do?

Okay. So it depends on what it is. Right. If they're having a situation, when they're having a discussion with self, leave those people alone. Okay.As long as they're not doing harm to you or to others, allow them to go through it. If you're dealing not even necessarily somebody on the street or at home and someone is having delusions. Right.The biggest support you can offer them is buying into their delusion. I know a lot of people are like, what do you mean, buy into their delusion? You're not going to fight them and say, there's no UFOs in this house.You're gonna engage them and say, where do you see it? What is happening now? Because that's gonna help them walk down from the delusion. But if you press against it, it's just gonna heighten the emotion.

Gotcha. Yeah.

De.

Escalate. I think I've seen the talking to self, and then I've also seen rolling around on the ground, like, stop, drop, and roll.And when I first saw that, I was like, oh, my gosh. Like, are you okay? And they're like, what? And they just got up and, like, walked off. Because I'm like, what? And it's like, what just happened? Yeah.So I guess just let them do them.

Yes. Unless you see harm, then you want to get assistance.

Yeah.

Yeah. I would not advocate for anyone to jump in.

That's really good advice, guys. Don't jump in.

Let people jump in. Let people do them. Y.

How can the community support the work that you're doing?

So I think not fighting against it, first of all, not denying that it's a necessity. We've seen a few people pop up saying, oh, you don't need therapist. You need Jesus. I'm like, why can't you have Both.

Yeah. This is a yes. And over here, God wants to have it all.

Yes. And so you need someone to talk to. You need a sounding board. You need a place where you can release those things without feeling judged or condemned.

Yeah.

And that's what therapy is. Yeah.

Yeah. Do you really love it?

I love it so much.

Yeah.

Even on the days that I'm like, oh, I'm tired, I'm like, oh, but I get to talk to this person, you know?

Yeah. What's your favorite parts about it,.

Really? Seeing people come to self, you know, like stop holding up walls and start breaking down those walls to find bits of.I do a lot of internal family system work. Right. And what is that? Ifs right. Internal family system is when we have parts of ourselves that show up.So if anxiety is showing up, anxiety is showing up because it believes it's protecting you from maybe the world around you or from individual. So I encourage my clients to approach anxiety with compassion and curiosity.I understand that at one point this was necessary for me to accomplish things, but right now what I need is peace. Right?

Yeah.

So we're not shaming parts of ourself, we're stepping those parts of ourselves, but allowing them to know that this is not the time nor the place for them.

Yeah.How would someone, you know, if you like, finding yourself like, okay, I've had all this stuff that has happened and I'm not who I was then, you know, and folks try to start walking that back. How does someone, I mean, obviously we can get a session with you, but how do folks start to like, walk that kind of stuff back?Is it through journaling?Any sort of advice when people are getting like, late diagnosed or they're like realizing that, you know, they've gone years this way, nobody stepped in because maybe they didn't know to. Now how do you, like, forgive that part of yourself? I guess, you know, like where you could have done better, you didn't know better.

Yeah.

Yeah. Because now you could just beat yourself up, you know?

Mm. I know there's been conversation around shadow work, which is really important. Journaling, dealing with the inner child. Right.Cause that's a younger aspect of yourself. Forgiving 18 year old you because she didn't have the wisdom of 40 year old you, you know, like, give her a break. She hasn't lived. She didn't live.Have that lived experience you have now. So it is a process of going back to those segments and those parts of yourself, embracing them, loving them. Meditation helps. Right.A visualization of that younger you of that you at that place in that time.

Yeah.

And giving them the language, saying, you. We didn't know, you know, this is what you were dealing with at the time.

I'm so glad you brought up shadow work, because shadow work always, like, I always see all the witchcraft girlies talking about it. Yeah, but it's not a witchcraft girl thing.

It is not. It. No, no. Shadow work is really healing parts of yourself that have been, for lack of better words, paralyzed by maybe trauma, disappointment, hurt.Right. Arrested development in those areas where you feel stuck, where maybe you didn't mature emotionally past that point.Going back to those spots and really speaking healing to those parts of yourself.

I love that. Thank you for demystifying that.

Yeah.

Because it. Yeah. It always seemed like it had, like, this dark piece to me, and I'm like, I don't know.

It's called. I believe Carl Jung really dealt with it. One of the first.

Okay.

Psychiatrists who stepped away from Freud. So.

Right on. So, okay, great. Thank you so much. Like, if folks want to, like, link up with you, we go to Rose. Roseandbloom therapy.com.

Yes. Yes. And I'm also on Instagram under Rosenbloom Therapy, too.

Awesome. Are you giving, like, insights and wisdom on, like, can we. Can you be one of our favorite Instagram therapists?

So I'm very cautious about doing work on Instagram. Yeah.

Okay.

Okay. I'm not. I'm not one of those who just come out and offer insight because I don't know the individual.First of all, I have to sit with, you know, you know your journey. I can't just give you blanket advice. I can give you coping tools. Okay. Yeah. So that's it. Yeah.

Good, wise, sage advice.

Okay. Yeah, yeah.

Like, I feel like I'm, like, taking in. Yes.I feel like I'm, like, taking all that you say, and, like, each time I ask, like, think of a question, I'm like, okay, this is not a personal session, Stephanie. This is to talk about Rosemary's business for everybody.

But this is part of my business, right?

Yeah, yeah. And I really appreciate the insight. I think it's been really wonderful. And where can we find your book?

So, again, Rose and Bloom Therapy. There's a link there. You just click on it. My book.

Okay, great. We purchased directly from you.

Yes, it comes directly from me.

I love it. Such a lovely cover. Thank you. Awesome. Anything else that you want to share before we call our conversation complete?

But do you have any questions that you feel like you haven't gotten an opportunity yet?

You Know, one thing I think I'm curious about is how maybe being a mother has changed the way you show up as a therapist. As I think of motherhood myself, I'm like, wow, this really seems to change everyone's life. At first I'm like, oh, you guys are just saying that.But now it's sort of scary.

It changed. It is scary. It is anchoring you. It was like, okay, before having a child, I felt whimsical and flying everywhere. I'm gonna try this. I'm do that.I'm go there. I'm gonna do that. And then I became someone's mother, and the anchor came down. It was like. And I had to face. I. Oh, my goodness.The journey through motherhood was where I started to question, am I enough?

Yeah.

Who am I? I am now responsible for this soul. And they're looking at me like. And I'm looking at them like, what are we doing here? Okay.We're going to learn together. Yeah. It is. It is. It does alter you in a way that's very profound. For some may think that it's wonderful. Others may find it challenging.And, you know, I see clients on both of those spectrums.

Yeah, I remember. I'm a big Bravo fan. And I remember Rachel Zo. Rachel Zo was, like, getting pregnant, and she's like, I'm just gonna bring this kid everywhere.He's just gonna be my little accessory. Like, seeming as if she's gonna still keep her schedule and. And, you know, she'll just have this kid with her.And I haven't seen an update from her about that. Or I would love to ask her if she believed that, but that doesn't seem to be the case that you. Yeah.

Oh, no.

Like, it seems like I would be completely giving up my life with the kid.

And you. You unfortunately, like, when you're like, okay, I made the decision to be a parent, you come into it with this idea, Right?Like, she had the idea, I'm going to take my baby everywhere. But you don't know what's going to happen. Everything has been pan out that way.Like when we had Jackson, Jackson was sick for the first five years of life. We were in the hospital every Christmas and birthday.

Oh, my goodness.

Right. Because he has asthma, allergies. His asthma was really bad. And so did I picture that in motherhood? Absolutely not. Right.But you don't know what you're going to get. Yeah. Yeah. So I think that's the delusion of it all. Like, get rid of the picture. It's probably not going to be what you thought it was.

Has it made you more organized?

No.

Okay.

I'm a naturally unorganized person. Well, I like to say I have organized chaos for myself.

Yeah.

Because it worked for me.

Yeah, exactly. But were you already a mother before you became a therapist? Like, before you had practice?

I was.

Okay. Okay.

Yeah.

So you don't have, like a before and after. You've, like, always been practicing in this way. Well, that's good at least. Yeah.

Wow.

Yeah. I think that's my questions. Thank you for that.I signed a bubble planning a meal planning class because I feel like I needed to get my own eating in order. And then even just, like, for my partner when he comes, I'm like, oh, my God, what am I gonna feed this person? This guy when he comes over here?I'm like. And I've been like, okay, if I become a mom, I need to get this meal planning thing down. But maybe I'm overthinking it because it's change anyway.

And he might be the cook, because I don't cook.

Yeah.

My partner does all the cooking.

Yeah.

He's the chef of the house.

That's amazing. Thank you so much for sharing all of this.You know, my last quick question, actually, is, after all the work you've done as a therapist, advocate, author, and parent, what have you come to believe about healing that you didn't believe maybe, like, 10 years ago?

The healing is not linear. I always thought, okay, once you're healed in this, you can move forward.But healing has so many layers that it will start to feel like you're stepping back, but you're still being pulled forward. But there's just that part that has not completely healed yet. So. Yeah.And you'll be surprised to learn parts of you that are not healed in simple moments. You know, like stepping outside, watching the sunrise, you're like, I remember this. And then it hits you, right.And it's okay to lean into that and it's okay to cry or to feel that. I think people have a hard time feeling. Sitting with uncomfortable feelings, and it's important. Oh, for sure. Yeah.

It seems like it's always, like, maybe healing from this. I. From your answer, it makes me think, like, healing is just like always. It's always like, we'll always be healing.

Always. Yes.

Yeah.

It's part of the human experience.

Yes. Just like, even, like, grief, it makes you think, like, that's always a thing.I used to, like, watch, you know, like, 2020 specials, and people would be like, there's never a day that goes by that I don't think about them and I'm like, yeah, right. But that's not true. Like, when my grandmother passed, I, like, think about her, like, all the time.She's like, running, like, in the back of my head, like, all the time, you know, so it's like that's just, like, that's just a life thing, you know?

Yeah. One of my beliefs is that grief is a perpetual cycle. It never stops. Yeah, right. And you don't just grieve people, you grieve stages of life.

Yeah, that's true. Like, I'll probably grieve my meal planning plan when I have a kid or a son.

Your freedom. Right. Your ability to move as you want to. You'll grieve that.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Oh, my goodness. Yeah. Wow. Okay, well, hey, you know what? You might see my name on your booking calendar.

Unfortunately, I will have to turn you down.

Oh, really?

Yes. Because I know you and I just did this beautiful interview with you, so.

Yes. Okay, well, thank you at least for that.

I could give you a referral.

Okay. No, I really appreciate that, you guys. Rosemary is the real deal. She's not going to tell us any advice on Instagram.You know, she's not going to meet with us if she knows us personally. Wow.

Yeah. Respect, respect.

I appreciate that so much. Oh, my gosh. Okay, well, you know, thank you again and yeah, thanks so much for being on nosey af.

Thank you for having me. I had a great time.

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